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Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

09-24-2010 at 01:47:32 PM

RE: RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

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Originally Posted by Gereg

Truth to tell, I don't really care for Kahlil Gibran; but your point is taken. (My taste runs more to Frost, Rumi, Charles Williams, Shakespeare, Byron, the unknown poet who wrote Beowulf, the Pearl Poet who composed "Gawain and the Green Knight", Yeats, Chaucer, Hopkins, some of the ancient Chinese and Japanese poets, Tom Waits and e.e. cummings.)

Well, I still haven't found out how to delete my profile - I'm much better with older technology than modern (a good guitar, a good sword, a good Irish whistle are about my comfortable limit; and you should have seen how long it took me to muster the courage to conquer my fairly simple recording software so I can get to work on making a disc of a few of my songs). So I'm not gone yet, although I've got a query in with the site management as to how to delete my profile.
But the issue of available time vs. probable mutual benefit is a legitimate one. I regret that it seems selfish to you; but consider it in this light: if I can contribute something, that's good, but if I contribute without receiving something I value equally in return (be it money, criticism that helps me, whatever...) then I'd simply be draining a resource of which no one has an unlimited supply. And as noted, I've got a LOT of projects going. (I didn't even get into the subject of my martial arts school, which used to provide my prime income... and the work of trying to rebuild it in the current state of the economy... nor the time it takes a 55-year-old man to keep his technique clean and growing.)

On another note, I believe it was you who suggested that books of poetry could earn the poets some money. It is my understanding that poetry almost never provides anyone with a significant amount of income. There are very, very few professional poets today - usually they earn their living teaching, or doing something more prosaic (Robert Frost ran a farm for much of his life).
Take care.


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Heartiest Welcome to OP, Gereg! Make yourself at home.

You forgot to mention Chaucer's Pornographic poetry, Gereg. Chaucer is celebrated as the Father of English poetry, I wouldn't dare declare that Chaucer's is non- poetry. The English would probably rescind my Entry Permit or visa to enter into their country .............................LOL

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The best poet, I've ever heard ( And I also did formal studies of Latin, Spanish and English Poetry, I evaded Greek Literature , except Greek mythology and the Aenid,) was (now dead) a bar-keeper in my own village, He composed sublime oral poetry, like Byron, when drunk on Jamaica white rum, in his own or his neighbour's bar......................LOL

Last edited by cousinsoren 09-24-2010 at 07:45:09 PM

09-24-2010 at 02:10:57 PM

RE: RE: Re: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anistacia

Originally Posted by linlee

Does anyone here know how to put poems up with spaces between the stanzas? I can't seem to get anything to work, so now I just print (space) between my stanzas. It's not great, but it works. I'd much rather be able to actually have spaces. Please help me if you can.

linlee cool smirk

I AM HAVING THIS SAME PROBLEM???! confused

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It's no big problem. Click "EDIT" and adjust the stanzas before clicking "POST" or "SUBMIT"

09-24-2010 at 02:10:57 PM

RE: RE: Re: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anistacia

Originally Posted by linlee

Does anyone here know how to put poems up with spaces between the stanzas? I can't seem to get anything to work, so now I just print (space) between my stanzas. It's not great, but it works. I'd much rather be able to actually have spaces. Please help me if you can.

linlee cool smirk

I AM HAVING THIS SAME PROBLEM???! confused

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It's no big problem. Click "EDIT" and adjust the stanzas before clicking "POST" or "SUBMIT"

09-24-2010 at 02:32:54 PM

RE: RE: RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

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Originally Posted by Gereg

Well, Sarah, I didn't expect to make a lot of friends with my note: so this reaction doesn't exactly surprise me. But my impression is that you're missing the point I was trying to make.
First, let me observe that I don't put down learning or the heart. If you take another look at what I wrote, projecting a little less of your own emotional reactions onto some of it, you may observe I never said that. More or less, I said that art is the blending of passion and craft.
There's nothing wrong with a personal learning process. But a true friend won't tell you you're ready for publication when you're not.
Maybe I will go someplace else, but if so, it won't be because I'm "arogant" (to use your creative spelling of the word). And it won't be because some people are wounded by the truth I speak. If I go, it'll be because I don't believe that the dialogue is mutually productive.
You can trust me or not; you can read my one verse here for yourself and see if you really think my ego is inflated.
To be honest, I doubt I sound all that much like your son: I think that's projection. You have no idea what my standard of living is; you give me the impression you imagine it to be much higher than it is. I've been close to homeless, and in this economy, there's no one immune to that concern. So please don't make assumptions or projections: take what I have to say on its own, without your own presuppositions piled on top.
I may - or may not - have a better understanding of poetry than someone else. That doesn't mean I think I'm a better person.

Originally Posted by sarahredhawk

Gereg,
...If you find this site so distastful for your high, arogant standards then leave and find a site that is more on your professioal level of writing, but don't put down others who are writing from their hearts and learning. ...

Take you inflated ego to another site if we are so distasteful to you. As you can tell I do not care for arogant people, my own son is that way because he is quite well off and I do not like the change in him with his arogant attitude and you sound just like him. Remember you can always keep all your education but the rug could be pulled from you some day and you may even end up homeless. It has happened you know so don't think it can't.



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No, Sarah, Don't wield your tomahawk and yell at Gereg..................LOL

Advise him instead to take his time to wander through the corridors of the OP Home , and learn what the OP site is about.

09-24-2010 at 02:45:12 PM

RE: Re: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

Quote:
Originally Posted by linlee

Does anyone here know how to put poems up with spaces between the stanzas? I can't seem to get anything to work, so now I just print (space) between my stanzas. It's not great, but it works. I'd much rather be able to actually have spaces. Please help me if you can.

linlee cool smirk


iT'S NO BIG PROBLEM! CLICK "Edit" then adjust the stanzas, before clicking "Post" or "Submit."

09-24-2010 at 02:45:12 PM

RE: Re: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

Quote:
Originally Posted by linlee

Does anyone here know how to put poems up with spaces between the stanzas? I can't seem to get anything to work, so now I just print (space) between my stanzas. It's not great, but it works. I'd much rather be able to actually have spaces. Please help me if you can.

linlee cool smirk


iT'S NO BIG PROBLEM! CLICK "Edit" then adjust the stanzas, before clicking "Post" or "Submit."

Last edited by cousinsoren 09-24-2010 at 02:45:36 PM

09-24-2010 at 02:47:45 PM

RE: RE: Re: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anistacia

Originally Posted by linlee

Does anyone here know how to put poems up with spaces between the stanzas? I can't seem to get anything to work, so now I just print (space) between my stanzas. It's not great, but it works. I'd much rather be able to actually have spaces. Please help me if you can.

linlee cool smirk

I AM HAVING THIS SAME PROBLEM???! confused

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It's no big problem! Click "Edit" and adjust the stanzas, before clicking :"Post" or "Submit."

09-24-2010 at 02:47:45 PM

RE: RE: Re: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anistacia

Originally Posted by linlee

Does anyone here know how to put poems up with spaces between the stanzas? I can't seem to get anything to work, so now I just print (space) between my stanzas. It's not great, but it works. I'd much rather be able to actually have spaces. Please help me if you can.

linlee cool smirk

I AM HAVING THIS SAME PROBLEM???! confused

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It's no big problem! Click "Edit" and adjust the stanzas, before clicking :"Post" or "Submit."

09-24-2010 at 02:53:54 PM

RE: RE: RE: RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

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Originally Posted by Charlie23

Originally Posted by dahlusion

Originally Posted by Gereg


Please understand my background. I was brought up reading poetry. My mother was a teacher, as was her father. My sister is a Classics professor. Some of my own poetry has been published. One contributing poet I respect highly, JLorian, attracted me here. (I'd follow that lady's work almost anywhere.) But when she won the other week, it was with a poem she doesn't think is particularly good herself. And I have to agree, it's a far cry from her best work.
Overall, I see strained metre and bad rhyme in the formal verses being contributed - in the cases when they even stay consistent as "formal verse" from start to finish, which wasn't the case in a recent winner. I see emotional self-indulgence and no artistic discipline in practically everything.


When someone, like yourself, claims to know what poetry is or isn't because of their “academic up-bringing”, I tend to sense their ignorance more than their intelligence, because some people are educated beyond their intelligence.

What came first, raw poetry or academic poetry? —we all know the answer.

Poetry is neither this or that, it's neither form or not form, which allows poetry to be a meaningful, lawless, decay of formal writing that allows the poet to disembowel the tight guts of academic dogma
to express themselves freely within their own unique style, voice, and emotions.

Arrogance is a sign of fear or failure in one’s life, or a sign that one has lost control of their divine spirit.

Yes, there is a lot of insignificant poetry on this site, and there is a lot of powerful poetry too,
so for someone to charge this site with being lame or disturbing is venting their own unhappiness,
their own failure, and their inability to function as a content human being.

If you are truly discontent in being here then you are wasting your vital energy on placing yourself in a negative situation.

You create choices in life, so why be negative about your choice to be here?

If this site is not to your “poetic pallet” then create a new metaphor, or a new illusion, for feeling or experiencing happiness.

Peace and Light,
Dah






Bravo, dah!


Sound brotherly counselling for Friend with the palidromic name, Dah!
I hope that he will look forward and not backward at modern poetry. Remember Lot's wife???..............................
LOL

09-24-2010 at 03:11:36 PM

RE: RE: Re: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

Quote:
Originally Posted by cousinsoren

Originally Posted by linlee

Does anyone here know how to put poems up with spaces between the stanzas? I can't seem to get anything to work, so now I just print (space) between my stanzas. It's not great, but it works. I'd much rather be able to actually have spaces. Please help me if you can.

linlee cool smirk


All you need to do,is click "Edit" and adjust the stanzas. Cool runnun's


Oren love we really need to figure out why your quoted posts are showing up multiple times.....on this one in particular you posted it at least five times.......if you are having to go back and edit what you said try making sure that it only posts it once and delete the duplicates,,,,,,all it does is give everyone multiple email replies for the same post..........let me know if you can't figure it out and I will see if I can find the problem for you..........as always my friend loves ya bunches

09-24-2010 at 03:29:32 PM

RE: RE: Re: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

Quote:
Originally Posted by cousinsoren

Originally Posted by linlee

Does anyone here know how to put poems up with spaces between the stanzas? I can't seem to get anything to work, so now I just print (space) between my stanzas. It's not great, but it works. I'd much rather be able to actually have spaces. Please help me if you can.

linlee cool smirk


iT'S NO BIG PROBLEM! CLICK "Edit" then adjust the stanzas, before clicking "Post" or "Submit."


To linlee and others having spacing problems on your posts on your pages. If you are coping and pasting your poem into the text box, just go in and hit return where you want the spaces before you hit submit your post.

If you are typing the poem straight into the text box, you should be able to put the spaces in at that time. If they are not staying spaced after you have typed in your poem, then hit submit then go back and edit the post and put the spaces in. They should stay in when you do the edit.......

Unfortunately on here we do not have access to the html code that is behind every post that makes it layout the way it does.......if you need help please message me and send me a link to the post you are having problems with and I will gladly assist you........love always asha

09-24-2010 at 06:03:14 PM

RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

Hey Asha, I don't think Cousin lets go of the button.......hence, his posts
(along with quotes) are listed as separate posts........I mentioned the same
thing on the "Read My Poetry" forum. It's bad because I get 15 alerts in
my Yahoo email that there is a new forum posting......a bunch of 'em......
Hopefully Cousin can figure out what he is doing for this to keep
happening.....

09-24-2010 at 07:16:52 PM

RE: RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

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Originally Posted by gogant

I go along with Aria……Gereg was honest in his words and he wasn’t
being arrogant….just stating his opinion. He commented on one of my
poems, and showed me that he has, in my opinion, some good points
to share with all of us here. Being nasty to him makes no sense….he
wasn’t being nasty with his thoughts…just being honest.....


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George, I firmly support your sage counselling to OP Members. Treating all and sundry with respect is a fundamental principle of OP , and I wish ,like most of us, that this principle be carefully guarded. I asked Red Hawk not to wield her tomahawk and yell at reger. In accordance with our principles at OP, he is entitled to feel safe and free to express his opinion or judgement.

Last edited by cousinsoren 09-24-2010 at 07:50:51 PM

09-24-2010 at 07:30:11 PM

RE: RE: RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gereg

Well, Sarah, I didn't expect to make a lot of friends with my note: so this reaction doesn't exactly surprise me. But my impression is that you're missing the point I was trying to make.
First, let me observe that I don't put down learning or the heart. If you take another look at what I wrote, projecting a little less of your own emotional reactions onto some of it, you may observe I never said that. More or less, I said that art is the blending of passion and craft.
There's nothing wrong with a personal learning process. But a true friend won't tell you you're ready for publication when you're not.
Maybe I will go someplace else, but if so, it won't be because I'm "arogant" (to use your creative spelling of the word). And it won't be because some people are wounded by the truth I speak. If I go, it'll be because I don't believe that the dialogue is mutually productive.
You can trust me or not; you can read my one verse here for yourself and see if you really think my ego is inflated.
To be honest, I doubt I sound all that much like your son: I think that's projection. You have no idea what my standard of living is; you give me the impression you imagine it to be much higher than it is. I've been close to homeless, and in this economy, there's no one immune to that concern. So please don't make assumptions or projections: take what I have to say on its own, without your own presuppositions piled on top.
I may - or may not - have a better understanding of poetry than someone else. That doesn't mean I think I'm a better person.

Originally Posted by sarahredhawk

Gereg,
...If you find this site so distastful for your high, arogant standards then leave and find a site that is more on your professioal level of writing, but don't put down others who are writing from their hearts and learning. ...

Take you inflated ego to another site if we are so distasteful to you. As you can tell I do not care for arogant people, my own son is that way because he is quite well off and I do not like the change in him with his arogant attitude and you sound just like him. Remember you can always keep all your education but the rug could be pulled from you some day and you may even end up homeless. It has happened you know so don't think it can't.



Reger. I think , I think Sarah is a bit misquided here in speaking harsh words to you. It is a fundamental principle of OP to respect everyone's opinion or criticism, as long as such opinions and criticisms are devoid of invective and are constructive. Please feel free to stand by your opinions or criticisms without fear of being disrespected by most of our OP Members. And we shall continue to remind our OP Friends of the ideals we try to maintain and project. Please consider any insult from an OP Member as an isolated incident, and not the attitude of the OP members, in general/

Last edited by cousinsoren 09-24-2010 at 07:58:13 PM

09-24-2010 at 08:18:57 PM

RE: RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

Quote:
Originally Posted by gogant

Hey Asha, I don't think Cousin lets go of the button.......hence, his posts
(along with quotes) are listed as separate posts........I mentioned the same
thing on the "Read My Poetry" forum. It's bad because I get 15 alerts in
my Yahoo email that there is a new forum posting......a bunch of 'em......
Hopefully Cousin can figure out what he is doing for this to keep
happening.....


thank you dear gogant, yes I hope he can figure it out as I get the multiple emails as well on the same posts........lol.......thanks love asha

09-24-2010 at 10:41:51 PM

RE: RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

Cousin, there is no infringements, nor catastrophic problems of any
nature........I think what you are doing is pressing Submit when you have
finished your posting, and then, clicking on it again, and again. After you
click, Submit, just wait.....it will show that it is posted after a few seconds...
You can give it a try if you want....if not, here's to you, and my best wishes
to my landlord...................................gogant

Quote:
Originally Posted by cousinsoren

Hey, George,

Some one has to enlighten me how to correct what I am doing wrong. I must confess that I am confused as to what am I doing that is an infringement of what is desired. Asha or Angel, please bring me back on track.............LOL

09-25-2010 at 08:15:54 AM
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RE: RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

Quote:
Originally Posted by gogant

Hey Asha, I don't think Cousin lets go of the button.......hence, his posts
(along with quotes) are listed as separate posts........I mentioned the same
thing on the "Read My Poetry" forum. It's bad because I get 15 alerts in
my Yahoo email that there is a new forum posting......a bunch of 'em......
Hopefully Cousin can figure out what he is doing for this to keep
happening.....


Good morning, go. I hate getting so many emails, too. So I turned off that feature in my privacy settings. I click on the site daily to see what's going on, so I don't need the email to tell me, first. Just a thought. Londo tongue wink

09-25-2010 at 08:43:27 AM

RE: RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

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Originally Posted by Gereg

Art is the opposite of democratic.

I thank you all for your insightful and insight-provoking contributions to this dialogue.
At least one kind soul has suggested that I start a 'class' here. I spent a couple of years over on Webook getting a reputation as (alternatively) a powerfully constructive critic and a raving elitist. That began to seem like an unprofitable use of my time, as I wound up giving a great deal more critical feedback than I got... and like the note "Dah" left on my (now deleted) poem, much of the feedback I did get seemed far more personally than artistically motivated.
Much of my commentary was appreciated very much, much of it was not. But it wasn't helping ME grow any. Like OP, it seemed like more of a supportive social network than a serious online writers' group.
At this point I'm trying to finish a novel, get an album recorded, write reviews of music and literature for a magazine that respects my opinions enough to publish them pretty regularly, and find a better job. I mean no offense to anyone when I say I don't have time for this.

I ask you to believe that it is not the fact of disagreement, but ultimately the quality of it, that is guiding me to leave this site. "Dah" has wisely (if with somewhat fuzzy logic) observed that if this isn't a place that contents me, I should leave.

But I'd like to leave you with this thought: when art is voted on, it becomes a popularity contest, a social network. It gains a warm fuzzy feeling, perhaps, but loses much of what gives it its power.

If you want to grow artistically, you must find a place that not only approves of you - for that is vital - but challenges you as well. How many of you are finding yourselves challenged by the way this place is running at present?
To quote Bob Dylan, "He not busy bein' born is busy dyin'."
I'm off to be born. I wish you all the same. That's not a wail of frustration... that's a birthing cry.

09-25-2010 at 08:48:17 AM

RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING! : WHAT IS POETRY

(Excerpt from DahLushion Reply to Reger)

WHAT IS POETRY?

Poetry is neither this or that, it's neither form or not form, which allows poetry to be a meaningful, lawless, decay of formal writing that allows all poets to disembowel the tight guts of academic dogma to express themselves freely within their own unique style, voice, and emotions.

(Dahlushion's quotation)

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(Cousin's Conceptual View)

We fail to realize that just as how there is no satisfactory nor arbitrary definition for God, there is none for poetry. There is no such such thing as "bad' or "good" poetry. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,only good or bad readers, good or bad audience , good or bad poets, good or bad critics..

Last edited by cousinsoren 09-25-2010 at 06:06:01 PM

09-25-2010 at 09:11:42 AM

RE: RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

Quote:
Originally Posted by cousinsoren

Hey, George,

Some one has to enlighten me how to correct what I am doing wrong. I must confess that I am confused as to what am I doing that is an infringement of what is desired. Asha or Angel, please bring me back on track.............LOL


Oh dear oren, so sorry for getting you confused, there is no infringement or anything like that,,,,,,,we are just trying to figure out why you posts our duplicating cause it also duplicates the email messages we get..........I think gogant may have figured it out about hitting the submit button to many time.........I hope it helped..hey we loves ya here.........P.............loves ya asha

09-25-2010 at 05:51:06 PM

RE: RE: RE: Re: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

Quote:
Originally Posted by ApaqRasgirl

Originally Posted by cousinsoren

Originally Posted by linlee

Does anyone here know how to put poems up with spaces between the stanzas? I can't seem to get anything to work, so now I just print (space) between my stanzas. It's not great, but it works. I'd much rather be able to actually have spaces. Please help me if you can.

linlee cool smirk


All you need to do,is click "Edit" and adjust the stanzas. Cool runnun's


Oren love we really need to figure out why your quoted posts are showing up multiple times.....on this one in particular you posted it at least five times.......if you are having to go back and edit what you said try making sure that it only posts it once and delete the duplicates,,,,,,all it does is give everyone multiple email replies for the same post..........let me know if you can't figure it out and I will see if I can find the problem for you..........as always my friend loves ya bunches


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I have been going back a way back now ,in earllier days, and even yesterday, to delete duplications , but what irks me , is that I need to know what is causing this bothersome thing !

Why is it happening to me, and not to someone else who deserves to have it happen to them?..........................LOL

09-25-2010 at 06:45:58 PM

RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

ohh
Oh, boy........I guess I will do as Londo suggested.........Unsubscribe,
and that way I won't get all those alerts in my Yahoo inbox......I went to
Yahoo the other day and I had 78 alerts that stated "There is a new
Forum posting"...I'll be checking into the forums, though, every day to
see what's happening....
tongue wink

09-26-2010 at 08:40:54 AM

RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

Oren, i've a firm belief you have it under wraps! cool smirk

09-26-2010 at 08:58:12 AM

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Hi, Standing Bear,

You have said i! ::LOL Thanks.

Visit he video , The Lord's Prayer" today.

Then, Bob Marley's "One Love,"

YOU will find [quote="StandingBear"]Oren, i've a firm belief you have it under wraps! cool smirk[/quote]

them at Casual Conversation.......thread' Community Infinite playlist. Good hunting

Last edited by cousinsoren 09-26-2010 at 09:13:29 AM

11-21-2015 at 06:47:31 PM

RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!

Maybe its just my internet messing up. But has anyone else had issues opening up someone's poems?

To have great poets there must be great audiences too.

Walt Whitman, American Poet (1819-1892)